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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.06.21 07:46:00 -
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Since joining the Minmatar militia months ago, I have noticed a disturbing trend: certain members of the militia do not regard other friendly militia members as... well... friendly. Most notably, my corporation and others I have worked with have had problems with KA POW POW Inc, members of the Late Night Alliance. They have repeatedly opened fire without cause or warning, leading to asset loss, Amarr fleets getting away, and other war objectives being compromised.
I have repeatedly tried diplomatic approaches, and have only found false assurances and been ignored. The result: yesterday, the Damu'Khonde alliance declared war on Late Night Alliance.
We do not seek to sabotage the anti-Amarr war effort, or to antagonize Late Night Alliance. We do not have any enmity for Autocannons Anonymous or other corporations who do respect friendlies.
We do, however, aim to clarify our standings. Those who shamelessly shoot allies will get shot back. They do not deserve "friendly militia" markings, and will be on the same business end of our guns as the Amarr are until they rectify their behavior. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1308
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Posted - 2012.06.21 08:21:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:I wasnt even aware that DK was active in the warzone. We became active as an alliance a little over a month ago, as an entity to unite ex-Ushra'Khan pilots who wanted to focus on the warring militias instead of on null-security holdings. I probably should have made a public announcement to that effect, but neglected to. My bad! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1308
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Posted - 2012.06.21 09:52:00 -
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I have my own opinions on deeper problems the militia has, but what's your take? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1310
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Posted - 2012.06.21 15:11:00 -
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Dame Death wrote:Let me guess, you took some of Ka-pows loot, or tried to "leech" a compound, and they shot you? Some of the times they shot us they used the reasons you listed, though our behavior was more "being within 100 km of KA POW POW's loot" and "being in a compound of theirs for a couple of seconds, and never entering capture range" rather than any actual misbehavior on our part.
Believe me, I at first thought it was some of the novice members of Rifterlings screwing up as well, and I ensured everyone treated allies respectably: no loot-stealing, leaving a compound if asked to, etc. Only after the shootings continued under the same excuses, with no other militia groups complaining about Rifterlings behavior, did I start suspecting foul play. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1310
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Posted - 2012.06.21 16:33:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:I have some lovely cheese that pairs excellently with this whine.
Shoot them back. What do you think the point of the wardec is? It certainly isn't to cuddle up with them. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1314
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Posted - 2012.06.22 00:04:00 -
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Ninlarra wrote:http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13732607
If the above is any indication, you guys are royally ******, as I am terrible.
So far. I am not impressed. We are also terrible. Lowhyres is terrible and has money. If he didn't lose that Cynabal to you, he would have lost it to some Amarr. As such, I don't see your point.
The war exists simply to solve the misunderstanding that we are allied. As we get repeatedly shot by LNA, we are clearly not allied and CONCORD records should show that. Plus, it allows us to better know the battlefield when we know that purple stars will not shoot us in the back. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1314
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Posted - 2012.06.22 04:11:00 -
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Shaounee Huren wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: The war exists simply to solve the misunderstanding that we are allied. As we get repeatedly shot by LNA,.
Mister Blackshell, Shaounee Huren, Tribal News Network. Does the above statement indicate that this war has been expanded from only targeting KA POW POW to all of Late Night Alliance and if so what do you think will be the response of many of those allied with Late Night such as Iron Oxide, Electus Matari, Autocannons and Defiant Legacy? Due to CONCORD regulations, a war cannot simply target a single corp in an alliance. If it could, we would just direct our aggression at KA POW POW. However, we had to wardec the whole of LNA. We had initially intended to try to limit aggression towards the other corps in LNA. They have decided to stand beside KA POW POW, so they are now valid targets.
I do not know what the other alliances do. For now, they appear to be sitting it out, and I am fine with that. There is no reason to want them to dogpile LNA, as LNA have mostly been good militia members and their contributions to the war have been invaluable.
I hope they do not sign on as allies, especially since LNA does not need help against D'K, so helping them would be implicitly supporting their blue-shooting actions -- which would be a very sad state for the militia.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1330
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Posted - 2012.06.27 04:21:00 -
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Press release and open letter to Late Night Alliance, with a long-form sum-up of the war and its future:
http://www.thewholefrigate.com/2012/06/open-letter-to-late-night-alliance.html
No new info, just different phrasing. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1330
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Posted - 2012.06.27 05:06:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: I will repeat the offer I made a couple of nights ago. I will personally reimburse all losses dealt to either side of this war in exchange for both sets of leaders meeting in a channel to discuss the ending of hostilities as soon as possible. While Matari fighters shoot each other there are vast numbers of Amarrian auxillaries flooding into the warzone and we are in significant danger of seeing recent gains reversed and liberated worlds enslaved once again.
Tonight we could do little but listen to the Amarrians boasting in space through lack of a fleet to fight them!
I don't place blame on either side, I don't condemn anyone and I call you all my comrades-at-arms. Just think for a moment and consider the offer I have made. Lets meet and resolve this difference so we can turn our guns back on the Amarrians who are stealing the freedoms from our brethren while this dispute rumbles between us.
I never heard of this offer before now. Who did you contact?
I am perfectly open to discussion to end the war ASAP. The only thing that is not on the table is my alliance members continuing to get shot without warning by friendlies after the end of the war. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1330
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Posted - 2012.06.27 05:38:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:A couple of officers of the Ushra'khan (whom) I'm told you will be shortly joining. Ah. We will be joining, but we have not united diplo yet. Regardless, they should have probably told me of this.
Jade Constantine wrote:Well, clearly no good comrade of the militia should be firing at another without cause. I'd like to hope this matter could be resolved amicably. I'm very happy to arbitrate, discuss, or simply put you guys in a room together. If pilots losing ships need the help I'm happy to cover all losses to date. But lets just get this business settled as soon as possible. I believe I speak for my corp when I say Rifterlings losses are not an issue. Most of the ships lost to the war were corp-provided sheap ships, and the rest were flown by people with full knowledge of the possibility certainty of dying horribly (and I would hope they don't hold grudges over those ships).
I appreciate your initiative, and I hope it works. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1336
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:52:00 -
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I'm glad reason prevailed and we can now 100% focus on shooting Amarr. Bonus points for it being resolved before Ushra'Khan had to step into the conflict (in more than a diplo role). Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1338
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Posted - 2012.06.29 02:43:00 -
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There is an expectation in militia that the people on the same side would not shoot each other... or at least have the minor decency of warning you before opening fire on friendlies.
Rifterlings did not fire first, and I have the unanswered mail I sent to you in which I politely asked for LNA to do something about shooting friendlies without warning so we wouldn't have to -- which you proceeded to ignore and cheer for more targets. From what I understand, the last mail from Order of the Black Dagger was ignored in a similar manner.
I understand just wanting fights and to have fun, and I am fine with defending plexes against leechers, or defending loot against thieves. If a leecher enters your plex, he probably expects retaliation, same as someone who wants to steal your loot.
However, simply entering a plex is not a sign that I want to leech on it -- especially when there's a war target in system and I don't even approach the capture area. Sticking around in an asteroid belt after a fight does not mean I want to steal loot -- especially when I'm nowhere near the wrecks in question. Firing in these circumstances is simply shooting someone who is not a threat (and is even helping you) and can be perceived as reckless, triggerhappy and rude.
If shooting without warning at people who are (or at least, believe they are) your allies and trying to help you is just "casual PvP" and as low as LNA has to stoop to get kills, that's just sad. I suppose that's not my business, though. My business comes in when corp morale is shot by being shot by people perceived as friendlies, and the war was to mark LNA as unfriendly, to correspond to their actions.
If my corp members are leeching your LP and they refuse to leave, kill them horribly. If they are stealing your loot and being assholes, by all means, teach them a lesson. If they just happen to be present there, or worse, in the process of hunting Amarr and believing you're on their side, opening fire is just wrong.
By being in the militia, LNA is taking a side in a conflict. While kicking the asses of people who are in your way is all well and good and necessary, backstabbing the people who are fighting beside you and chalking it up to "it's okay, we're NBSI and laid back" is just... why are you even in the militia? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1341
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Posted - 2012.06.29 11:09:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:understand LNA has never stated that we endorse openly firing upon other Minmatar loyalists without provocation. This is true, I have never heard it in an official manner. Certain members have stated things to the effect of being able to shoot whomever they want, but I'll let it go and chalk it up to hubris and grandstanding in the particular situation -- something I'm sure my corp members and I are not innocent of, either.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Thank you for your understanding, I'm glad the war is over and I look forward to fighting the Amarr alongside Rifterlings. Same right back at you. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
1344
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:24:00 -
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Wex Manchester wrote:In the spirit of walking before running...
Handshake? Sure, just lemme get my joy buzzer set up first. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1363
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Posted - 2012.07.04 06:09:00 -
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Silence iKillYouu wrote:Rifterlings are not important.
Anyway the war is over. Move on.
I created Late Night Allaince as a 'Just for fun pvp allaince' We do what we want we dont really have leadership and if other alliance's try bully us around we shoot em in the face. Late Night was never meant to be a serious powerblock with diplo's and boss's Late night is just a group of mates who fly together plus Autoz.. Yes, I get it. We're not important, LNA is super important; chestbeating is fun and we can both agree on that.
Your guys shot my guys unjustly. That means we had a problem. I don't care how "just for fun" you are, or if you can count your diplos or leadership on one hand or on a hundred hands. I wasn't able to solve the problem nicely, so I resorted to war and making a shitstorm. It seems it worked and we can go about our business now.
Feel free to feel "bullied" or whatever if that's what you believe happened. I don't care.
If problems come up between allies (be they friendly-shooting, plex-leeching, or nose-picking), they can be solved by either side backing down, or both sides talking it out, or both sides shooting it out.This applies no matter how serious the sides are. Being "for fun" is not license to step all over your allies. You never know who's going to stand up and say "no more".
I've already wasted too much of my time on this issue. I'm done. Let's just keep our guns off of each other and just "move on". Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1365
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Posted - 2012.07.04 15:10:00 -
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Silence iKillYouu wrote: Yes i feel bullied that a group of frig pilots war dec'd my alliance. I never wanted to undock i was pretty afraid of u guys during the war.
Silence iKillYouu wrote:if other alliance's try bully us around we shoot em in the face. You're the one who said it, not me.
Silence iKillYouu wrote: I will move on but if i ever have reason to shoot u guys i still will. Any other corp we would just leave alone but seems u guys made such a big deal of this most of us will be looking forward to seeing u in space again. We get groups like u come thru militia all the time
If any Rifterling does something stupid and loots/salvages a wreck that is not his, or leeches a plex, or has his overview set up wrong and has -10 above "militia member", it means he needs to learn to respect his allies. Feel free to shoot him.
The issue that we had was being shot pre-emptively or without any real reason beyond "they were there, were totally looking at me funny, and I am sooo laid back". The war was just an answer to being shot by allies for no reason, and not being able to resolve it using words. I'm sure you would have done the same if another militia group was shooting LNA with impunity or no explanation. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1369
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:14:00 -
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It was an overview standings mishap, and corp/alliance leadership has taken steps to make sure everyone's overviews are now set right. Unfortunate that a trigger-happy newbie would screw up so soon and cause an incident, but that's life.
Our (Rifterlings') purpose in the militia is to do what we can for the war effort in frigates/cruisers, and to train new and aspiring members. The latter can lead to screw-ups as you have seen. If that is unacceptable, feel free to start shooting us up again and to talk about how we're the aggressors and the bullies and you will drive us out. We quiver with fear. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1369
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:26:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:No amount of overview settings mishap would lead to someone shooting Kuan Yida. Rifterlings just signed their own death warrant. You might as well run and cry to the Amarr gods now, The Spirits of the Ancestors will never hear the pleas of someone who has attacked one of the of the mighty Huang Yinlong!!!
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1369
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Posted - 2012.07.05 03:55:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:Nevermind, I dont even care at this point... Yyyyep. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1369
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:09:00 -
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Silence iKillYouu wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Los Muertas wrote:Nevermind, I dont even care at this point... Yyyyep. Ran out of propaganda to broadcast ? Yeah, pretty much. I have said all that needs to be said for now. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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